Is Edge Venture Biblical?

Is Edge Venture Biblical?

My name is David Bovenmyer and I am a co-pastor of Stonebrook Community Church in Ames Iowa. I have been a pastor for over 40 years, serving churches in Iowa and Maryland and planting Riverview Church in East Lansing Michigan. I also serve on the Executive Committee and the Doctrinal Committee of Great Commission Churches, helping to lead an association of approximately 70 churches and ministries in the United States.

In the fall of 2011, a close friend of mine invited me to attend Edge Venture, a men’s retreat in the Detroit area. I was greatly impressed by the weekend but, Michigan being so far away, did not return to staff until the fall of 2013 at the tail end of a trip to Michigan for another reason. It was at this weekend that I began to get a vision of how Edge Venture could help fulfill my passion to make disciples and build them into Christ likeness. I saw how powerfully the Holy Spirit affected men through the Edge ministry, touching their hearts at a depth that rarely happened at other Christian retreats. I thought “I need to bring my boys to this.”  So, in the spring of 2014, I went back, bringing my youngest son and a couple men from our church to help check out the potential value of the weekend. My son had a tremendous breakthrough as a hurtful, shame-producing event came to light that he had kept hidden from his parents and everyone. He now sees his Edge weekend as a turning point in his life and is enthusiastically supporting Edge and inviting others. The men from my church who went with me were also impacted by the weekend and wanted to bring others.

Over the next couple years, I returned to Michigan, bringing two more of my sons, who also found the weekend to be liberating in areas where they had felt “stuck” in their growth as believers.  Word spread to several churches in Iowa, and during this time over 25 men traveled from Iowa to Michigan to experience the weekend. A decision was made to attempt a weekend in Iowa, and in May 2016 the first weekend had 33 participants, followed by a second in September with 37 participants. One of the participants was my fourth son to attend. Edge was extremely helpful to him and has given him relationship with Christian men that he respects and enjoys.

Edge Venture calls itself an “experiential” weekend and as such is quite different from the typical intensive-teaching men’s weekend that I was used to. From my first weekend on it was obvious that the gospel of the grace of God and the cross and resurrection of Christ were at the very center of the weekend. Yet I knew that a few of the processes used at Edge originated with non-Christian men’s retreats and the question arose in my mind as to whether Edge Venture is Biblical. This is a very important question to me as studying theology is one of my passions.  I don’t want to have anything to do with things that undermine the Bible or undercut the gospel.  Having thought long and hard and having evaluated each process, I have concluded that what happens at Edge is strongly Biblical, which I will detail below. I have not found anything to be unbiblical—contradicting Biblical truth or practice.

What is the goal of Edge Venture?

In my perception the goal of Edge Venture is to make and build disciples by helping men connect more deeply with their own hearts, with other men, and with the Lord. In our first Iowa Edge weekend two men gave their lives to the Lord, one the father-in-law of a staff man who had prayed for him for many, many years. And on our second Iowa weekend I was able to lead a man to Christ. We have had over thirty men from our church attend Edge and almost all of them will testify that the weekend moved them significantly forward in their efforts to follow the Lord.

What are some of the clearly biblical elements at Edge?

  1. Confession: The weekend is designed to bring a man face to face with what is not working in his life and face to face with his failures and sins. I am always amazed at how consistently this happens, yet in a way that is not overly shaming or humiliating (James 5:16, 1 John 1:9).
  2. Claiming forgiveness in Christ: The gospel is at the center of the weekend and nothing thrills my soul on these retreats more than seeing men come clean in ways they never have before and seeing them find the tremendous release that comes with understanding and accepting the forgiveness of Christ (1 John 2:1-2, Romans 5:1, 8:1).
  3. Repentance: Not only do men confess their sins and find forgiveness in Christ, but consistently they also come away from the retreat with hope and resolution to turn away from evil and follow Christ more strongly (2 Corinthians 7:8-11).
  4. Humility: I have found the men who lead and staff Edge Venture to be humble servants, dedicating their time and energy and prayers to the men who attend. All staff men serve without pay.  Their humble, servant attitude is obvious and contagious, modeling a form of manliness that some men have never seen before (Luke 6:40).
  5. Letting go of anger and bitterness: Several processes give men the chance to address anger and bitterness and encourage them to let it go and to let God be the judge and avenger. The Bible teaches that anger and bitterness can be a hidden root that affects the entire plant. Bitterness can spread throughout the church and the world, defiling many. I’ve seen men come to Edge whose anger and bitterness has defiled their wife, their kids, their church, and their community. Often such men have tried over and over again to forgive and let go of their anger, yet the anger remains and keeps erupting. Several Edge processes can powerfully help a man reach down into his heart, find the hidden root of bitterness, and pull it out at the roots by forgiving at a deeper level than ever before (Hebrews 12:15).
  6. Mourning losses: Jesus said “Blessed are those who mourn” (Matthew 5:40). None of us like to mourn, yet mourning is necessary if we are to get past our losses and return to joy. Edge gives men an opportunity to do this. A man on my first weekend was having great difficulty connecting emotionally with his wife and children. This was so distressing to his wife that she was thinking of separating. He had made genuine efforts to connect more deeply, but it seemed that something inside was blocking or hindering this. During an Edge process, a memory came to mind; in my perspective this was Spirit-led.  He remembered the death of his younger brother, who had died when this man was ten. During the process, he was able to mourn the loss of his brother, say goodbye, receive comfort from God and his Edge brothers, and gain a perspective of his brother’s death that was much closer to God’s perspective than before.  He went back to his wife and family, an emotionally freer man, able to better connect because the inner pain that his heart had been hiding had been comforted.
  7. Receiving God’s comfort: Paul said that God comforted him in all his affliction so that he would be able to comfort those in any affliction with the comfort he himself had received from God (2 Corinthians 1:3-4).  Men often receive great comfort from the Lord and from other Edge men during the weekends, which deepens their appreciation for the love of God and fills them with compassion for others who are hurting.
  8. Weeping with those who weep: Paul commands us to rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep (Romans 12:15). The openness and authenticity of the Edge environment provides great stimulus for this to happen. Doing this is often powerfully encouraging, comforting, and affirming.
  9. Encouraging and providing accountability: Men are challenged to choose a goal that would be a “stretch” for them and report back to a man of their choice for encouragement and accountability. In our church we have found that the openness and honesty fostered at Edge has, at least to a degree, carried over into our small groups[1] (Hebrews 3:13, 10:24-25).
  10. Bonding with other men: Many men have had difficulty bonding to their fathers or other male role models either because of an absent father or other factors. Edge has proven to be one step in some men’s journey as they step out of their comfort zone and attempt to truly connect with other men (1 Peter 5:1-7).
  11. Avoiding partiality: One of the rules at Edge is that men do not share their occupation with each other during the weekend. This has the wonderful effect of putting the men on the same level, encouraging oneness (James 2:1).
  12. Experiencing what is learned: In many of our churches, believers hear hundreds of teachings from the Bible, which is wonderful and vital. It is easy however, for men to hear the truth and not do it. During an Edge weekend, men are encouraged (never required) to step out and do the things they are learning (James 1:22-25).
  13. Exposing idolatry: Countless times at Edge weekends I have watched as the Spirit of God exposes either a low or unworthy conception of God or a heart that is wrapped around created things rather than the Creator. Some of the processes are designed to give the Spirit of God opportunity to do this and it very often happens (1 John 5:21).
  14. Learning from the Bible: Throughout the weekend the story of David’s life is presented, a story that includes many lessons for our lives. And a Christ-centered, gospel-centered message is given on Sunday morning (2 Timothy 4:1-4).
  15. Remembering the Lord: An opportunity is given for men to remember the Lord as we share bread and grape juice in communion on Sunday morning (1 Corinthians 11: 23-26).
  16. Worshiping the Lord in song: This also happens on Sunday morning, and often many eyes are filled with tears of gratefulness for what God has done for us in Christ and for what He has done during the weekend (Colossians 3:16).
  17. Changing from the inside out: Jesus said that man’s problems with sin are not primarily external, but stem from the heart (Matthew 5:17-20). He rebuked the Pharisees because they cleaned the outside of the cup and dish, but did nothing to clean up the inside (Matthew 23:25). In Romans 8, Paul rejoices that God has sent the Holy Spirit to indwell our hearts so that the fruit of the Spirit can flow out through us (Romans 1:-11, Galatians 5: 22-23). These scriptures make it clear that God wants to transform men and women from the inside out. It is my experience that greater authenticity, more honest confession, and greater attention to emotion[2] can be extremely helpful, in fact sometimes necessary, for change from the inside out to occur. How can we correct that which we have never fully acknowledged? It’s impossible.
  18. Using symbolism, imagery, and surprise: The scriptures tell the story of God creating a world and working to redeem that world after it rebelled against Him. That story is often communicated with striking images, symbols, and surprises. The climax of the story, the death and resurrection of the Savior Himself, was a surprise to all. We see that the prophets were often commanded to do things in symbolic ways to vividly communicate the message of God. This went to lengths that to us would seem extreme, such as going naked and barefoot (Isaiah 20:2-4), lying for months on one side (Ezekiel 4:4-6), and marrying a prostitute (Hosea 1:2-4).  Perhaps God knows that we sometimes need striking images and surprises to get our attention. Edge Venture uses imagery (thoroughly wholesome) and the element of anticipation and surprise to get men’s attention and turn it to the Lord.  Maintaining this element of suspense and surprise is the sole reason for not fully informing participants regarding all aspects of the weekend. Nothing is kept secret for any other reason.
  19. Using story: God has revealed Himself in history and we have that revelation primarily in the form of story. God could have given a systematic theology, but in His great wisdom He chose to use story. Edge Venture also teaches using story, the story of David’s life and the grand story of God—creation, the fall, redemption, and future restoration—climaxing in the story of Jesus. During the weekend, men are given the opportunity to reflect on the story of their own lives in order to better understand how their life story fits in to the grand story of God as He works all things together for His glory and for the good of those He loves (Romans 8:28-30).
  20. Challenging men toward Christlikeness: All these elements work together to create an extremely challenging retreat. Consistently I receive feedback from men who attend Edge Venture that this retreat challenged them more than any other men’s retreat they have attended, calling them to be the man of God that He created and redeemed them to be (Colossians 1:28-29).

These are some of the biblical goals and practices of Edge Venture. The way these goals are achieved is somewhat different from what happens at many men’s retreats, but God allows diversity in the methods and forms that we choose. All that we do must be firmly founded on the scriptures and the gospel of Christ, yet the scriptures are largely silent regarding forms and methods. Perhaps this is because God knew that the most effective forms and methods would vary from culture to culture and generation to generation. So we have freedom to use forms and methods that are most effective in our culture, as long as they do not undermine or circumvent scriptural commands or principles.[3] In reality, this is a difficult line to walk, but Jesus said that one way we can judge is by the fruit. After an Edge weekend, I see such things as men breaking free from pornography addictions, men spending time with their wives and children rather than obsessing over sports, men bonding with one another and with their families at deeper levels, men who were once secretly angry at God now truly excited to serve Him, men who have grown in confidence in their position in Christ, men who are better leaders and connectors and lovers.

One challenge I experience as a pastor is that it is often hard for men to really engage as active participants in their church and in the discipleship process. Edge Venture challenges each man to go back to his local church and actively participate and to be the man that God wants him to be as a leader of his family, an active participant in the church, and an involved member of his community.

Not every man who attends a weekend has a breakthrough, but I’ve seen so much good fruit that I am sold on the weekend’s effectiveness to greatly help in making and building disciples. Edge venture is designed to invite a man to look within, to discover what is not working, what is broken inside, and to seek the Lord for healing and transformation. There is really nothing magical about the weekend. It’s simply putting into practice Biblical principles that are sometimes ignored or practiced at a shallow, comfortable level. The weekend challenges men to go deeper with God and to give Him all of their hearts and lives.

These are my perspectives of Edge Venture and its Biblical elements and are my opinions alone. I am not been authorized to officially represent Edge Venture. Neither do my opinions necessarily represent those of Stonebrook Community Church or of Great Commission Churches.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to call me; I would love to talk. I could also refer you to other pastors who have seen the power of applying these Biblical principles on an Edge weekend. You are always welcome to come check out Edge in person.

David Bovenmyer

2611 Woodview Drive

Ames, IA 50014

[1] In our church we have chosen to limit our Edge small group to once a month in order not to undermine our existing small groups, which we see as a priority.

[2] I have written on the subject of emotion for Great Commission Church’s leadership training in Emotions and the Heart. This paper does not reflect the position of Edge Venture in any way, but only my own.

[3] I have written a paper that is used in Great Commission Church’s leadership training entitled The Bible and Psychology, Sociology, Science, and Business Principles which states my views on the integration of the Bible and other disciplines. This paper does not reflect the positon of Edge Venture in any way, but only my own.

Just Stop It!

Subtitle: Transformation from the Inside Out

Faithwalkers 2016 Seminar

Slide Presentation and Message Notes

Presented by Dave & Dawn Bovenmyer

When it comes to changing hurtful habits, we’ve all wished that we could “Just Stop It.” But, sadly, we too-often find that our sinful behavior continues despite our ardent resolutions.  In this seminar we will learn a way to inject the truth that we know cognitively deeper into our hearts and to dislodge falsehoods that have been experientially planted in our lives. Dave and Dawn will share insights from their own personal journey that have helped them find transformation from the inside out.

Slide Presentation:


Message Notes:


Bob Newhart, Stop It:

Romans 7 Refers to a Man Under the Law, Not a Man Under Grace

Here are some thoughts on the identity of the “wretched man” of  Romans 7:14-ff. These verses refer to a man attempting to serve God under the law of Moses (Torah), not a man under grace and serving in the “way of the Spirit.” These are preliminary thoughts and I would appreciate any feedback that you may have for me.

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What is the Flesh?

This morning I wrote this definition of the “flesh.” The word is used very broadly in the New Testament.  This definition is an attempt to define a narrow usage of the word by Paul in Galatians 5, 1 Corinthians 3, Romans 7, and a few other places.  These are my preliminary thoughts and I would love any feedback that you have for me.

The flesh, as spoken of by Paul in Galatians 5, is an orientation of life consistent with that of the natural man attempting to live apart from God, Christ and redemption. At the core of this orientation is a tendency toward the indiscriminate satisfaction of human desire without proper regard for God, other humans, or eventual consequences. Living in the flesh is consistent with living in the world, since the world largely lives by this orientation. Living in the flesh becomes addictive and ingrained in habits of the body and of the mind.  Since many indiscriminately indulged desires are physical in origin and since the mind is contained in a physical organ which becomes shaped and programmed toward indiscriminate indulgence, the word “flesh,” when describing this orientation, is often associated with the body.  Yet no bodily desire is, in itself, evil.

The flesh is not a sub-part of the human personality that must be suppressed, as I used to think and as many Christians think. Every part of the human personality and all human desires are God-given and good, when oriented properly. Human desires often must be suppressed for the attainment of the greater good, or must be tempered by the truth of reality, but are not evil in themselves. Thus pride is a good desire for significance and honor that is not tempered by the reality of our true position and power compared to God and others. Lust is good sexual desire toward an improper object. Impatience can be an unwillingness to suppress good desire for a greater good, perhaps not recognizing the existence of the greater good.

In contrast, walking in the Spirit, is an orientation of life consistent with the truths of reality, including God’s person, love, plans, and rights. God indwells every believer in Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit and walking in the Spirit involves dependence upon the Spirit and yielding to the Spirit’s lead in the light of the truths, plans, and purposes of God.

Aids to Finding a Christ-Centered Counselor

Three Attempts to Classify Christian Counselors

and Counseling Approaches

First Attempt

Neil Anderson and Terry and Julianne Zuehlke, in their book Christ-Centered Therapy: The Practical Integration of Theology and Psychology divide Christian counselors into four broad categories.

1.      Closed counselors are Christian counselors who do not use Christian principles or Scripture in their counseling.

2.      Closet counselors use a mixture of Christian philosophy mixed with psychology, but their Christian principles are not overt in their counseling.

3.      Conjoint counselors freely and openly use a mix of Christian philosophy and principles from psychology.

4.      Bible Only counselors use little or nothing from psychology.

Second Attempt

Rick Beemer and Tammy Smith, in their seminars at the 2002 GCC pastor’s conference presented the following range of viewpoints and where they would place different authors and teachers in relation to it:

Psychology only             Bible and Psychology           Bible over Psychology             Bible Only


Peale         Schuller            Narramore             Collins          Crabb             Adams       MacArthur

Bible and Psychology—With the “Bible and” approach, psychology is freely and directly integrated into Biblical thinking and practice. Psychology makes a vital contribution to the construction of a counseling model. The idea is that there are two sources of truth, the Bible and the careful study of human nature.  The understanding is “All truth is God’s truth,” whether it is discovered through study of the Bible or study of creation. Some challenges of this approach are:

  • psychology has an historical bias against theistic, spiritual viewpoints
  • it is a difficult challenge for the typical psychology student to sort through the myriad of philosophies and techniques he encounters and then make an informed judgment as to whether or not each is Biblical.
  • a lack of thorough evaluation of different philosophies and approaches has, in many cases, resulted in an integration of non-Biblical philosophies and practices along with Biblical approaches.

Bible Over—The “Bible over” approach is similar to the “Bible and” approach, except that a more rigorous attempt is make to place the Bible over all claims of truth. A more thorough attempt is made to evaluate all psychological theories and techniques in light of explicit Biblical teachings and Christian theology.  Some challenges of this approach are:

  • although the historical anti-theistic biases in psychology are more clearly acknowledged, the task of evaluating secular psychological theories and approaches is still immense and difficult.
  • a tremendous amount of diversity in these folks has made it difficult to proceed

Bible Only—With the “Bible only” approach, psychology is viewed with suspicion or hostility. The conviction is that there are comprehensive resources within the Bible that are distinct from prevailing cultural paradigms. “Bible only” has developed mostly as a reaction to the “over acceptance” of psychology in the church. Some challenges to this approach are:

  • it has sometimes resulted in pat answers, legalism, and haughty separatism
  • it sounds too much like Biblicistic quick fixes (“just identify sin and exhort change”)
  • instead of encouraging hard Biblical thought and discussion, it has tended to have the effect of closing eyes to life as lived and ignoring the real demands of the problems counselors are facing.

Third Attempt

On a somewhat more philosophical level, Dr. Larry Crabb, in his book Understanding People, first notes that there are perhaps about 200 different models in today’s psychological market place.  Then he sorts these into three basic models, each of which reflects different assumptions about the nature of our problems and the solutions to our problems.

The Dynamic model — According to this model, people are often controlled by internal processes (often called personality dynamics) of which they are usually unaware.  The roots of these dynamic realities are found in the past, in the person’s childhood.  The client is often seen primarily as a victim of bad parenting or other wounding experiences.  He is in need of therapy aimed at rearranging these subconscious internal processes.  The treatment consists essentially of a search for the hidden roots of the problem with the assumption that exposing the roots will lead to increased freedom from the present problem.

The Moral Model — To the Moral Model counselor, the core of people’s problems is a lack of willingness.  Moral Model counseling keeps the focus on chosen patterns of behavior and largely involves stripping away the many excuses for continued irresponsibility.  Homework assignments play a significant role.  Often little attention is given to the motives beneath behavior.

The Relational Model — To Relational Model counselors, the most significant fact about people is that they are made to love and be loved.  We are designed for relationship and consequently we yearn for it.  Human problems are best understood as defensive attempts to handle the pain of fear and tension in significant relationships.  People are caught up in a vicious cycle of hurt, defensive retreat, more hurt, more retreat.  Relational counselors try to provide the client with an affirming relationship to spark hope and to offer a safe setting for trying out new, non-defensive patterns of relating.  Relational counselors typically emphasize values such as courage, openness, vulnerability, and assertiveness.

The essentials of each model could be summarized as follows:

Problem Solution
Dynamic Model Woundedness Therapy exposing roots
Moral Model Irresponsibility/Sin Exhortation to change behavior
Relational Model Loneliness Affirmation/Self Expression

Most forms of counseling reflect the core assumptions of one or more of these models.  Rogerian counseling is Relational in focus.  Traditional psychotherapy is Dynamic.  Other forms of counseling blend different models.  Behavior therapy is a blend of the Dynamic and Moral models in its insistence that people are victims of bad environments and yet it is their behavior that needs to change, not internal structures.  Gestalt therapy and its stepchild, primal therapy, reflect a blend of Dynamic and Relational assumptions.

In Understanding People, Crabb goes on to present his understanding of who we are as humans and the core of our problem. He looks at four aspects of what it means to be made in the image of God.  God made us to be 1) personal (relational), 2) rational (able to think and reason), 3) volitional (able to choose), and 4) emotional (able to feel and express emotion).  Our problem is that sin has compromised each of these areas.  In our foolish commitment to independence, we refuse to look to or trust or rely upon God to meet our needs in each of these areas. Sin affects all areas of our being—our relational desires and abilities are compromised, we become foolish thinkers, we lose or appear to lose some of our ability to choose rightly, and our emotions are often inappropriate for the situation at hand.  In his book, Crabb presents examples of how God wants to restore our proper functioning in each of these areas through the sanctification process.  Crabb believes that any counseling model must address all four aspects of human nature as well as the affect that sin has had on each.  Crabb’s book is an honest attempt to provide a careful philosophical foundation for developing a thoroughly Christian counseling approach that addresses all types of the psychological and emotional problems that humans face.  He appears to be advocating an approach that endeavors to address in a balanced way the same facets of human personality that are targeted by the dynamic, moral, and relational models of counseling.  Yet he does this with the understanding that the root of dysfunction in every area is our stubborn resistance to trusting God and our insistence on attempting to live independently from Him.

Hopefully these brief (but probably overly simplistic) summaries of the various approaches will help you be informed concerning the range of possible approaches that counselors may take and allow you to choose an approach that you agree with most closely.

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Emotions and the Heart

David Bovenmyer

© 2010, Great Commission Churches, Used  by Permission

“You are going through the motions, but you’re heart is not with me.”  These or similar words tumbled from my wife’s mouth while tears started to form in her eyes.  We were on one of our weekly dates, our designated times for planning, prayer, and connection with each other.

“Oh, man, I’m busted, and she is not happy” I thought.  I knew I should be interested and involved in the conversation, and part of me wanted this, but I found my thoughts wandering and my emotions drifting toward frustration and grumpiness.  Continue reading

Recommended Reading for Care Givers

This is a list of books that I have read and would recommend for care givers, although I do not recommend everything in them. They are listed in no particular order Continue reading

The Bible and Psychology, Sociology, Science, and Business principles

Pastor Dave Bovenmyer, Ames, Iowa

© Great Commission Churches, 1999, 2007, Used by permission

As Christians, we wholeheartedly believe that the Bible is the Word of God and is the source of truth. But this leads to a number of questions: “What role do the sciences play in us understanding truth? How much can we learn from those who have studied psychology and sociology? What about applying business principles in the church?” These and other questions are addressed by Dave Bovenmyer in the following article. Continue reading

Counseling and the Local Church

Counseling and the Church

Pastor Dave Bovenmyer, Stonebrook Community Church, Ames, Iowa

© Great Commission Churches, 2004, 2007, used by permission

Recently, I was involved in a conversation where a fellow-pastor expressed concern about how many people in his church were going for counseling.  People were taking issues that he felt could and should be addressed within the church to a counselor—issues like struggles within marriage or with the kids, or with anxiety or discouragement.   He questioned whether this was really good.  Should our people be running off to counselors for issues that we can and ought to be addressing?  It seems that psychiatric counseling has gained so great an acceptance in our culture that even within the church many people’s first impulse when confronted with a difficult problem is to seek a counselor rather than a pastor or other church leader.  Gradually, psychologists have replaced the clergy as the experts in how to change human behavior. Continue reading

Counseling and the Early Church

What is counseling? For the purpose of this summary, I am considering counseling a subset of shepherding.  The Greek word translated “pastor” (ποιμήν) is the common word for “shepherd.”  Continue reading